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1. http://www.english-test.net/forum/sutra75145.html#75145
2. http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic16857.html&sid=0d39c924962f968d88cc6f827393f815
Torsten said,
Hi,
Imagine you were raped and as a result got pregnant. How would you feel and would you abort? Imagine, the rapist(s) forced you to carry the child to full term, would you be able to love that child? What impact do you think such an event would have on your mental health?
Nina said,
Hi Torsten,
Coming from a culture where my Mom used to tell me that I will get pregnant even by a mere touch of a man, you could imagine the fear I had all the years before I have learnt the reproductive system. Though I know better now, it still gives me chills just to think of it.
From this fear that I imagine, there is a chance that I might consider killing myself but I hope there would be somebody who'd stop me.
I'm sure there are ways to avoid pregnancy by taking pills but if I were forced to carry the child I think I would suffer the 9 months mostly on fear of not being able to love the child or things like what do I tell the child if she ask about her father or the trauma of the rape itself.
Like Pamela, I think I would love the child because she is mine and she can't help being fathered by a rapist!
I am also certain that I won't even consider abortion because I once saw a video on abortion when I was 15. "The Silence Scream" is the title if I were not mistaken. But I can still see the image vividly on my mind. The doctor put sort of a scissor into the woman's womb(I think I almost fainted when I saw this!) and I remembered I can't stop crying after I saw the embryo(the baby was at this stage I think) screamed with the mouth opened wide when the doctor cut it into two(of course there was no screaming heard, hence the title) before the doctor crushed its head the rest.
And in a woman's magazine too, I read that women suffered psychologically after doing abortion not to mention the pain they endured after the process.
What about you?Imagine a thing like this befalls any of your female family member, how would you react?
Nina
screenager said,
Jamie (K) wrote:
Yes, but you're in Ireland. The American programs often encourage kids to have sex.
Yes, but you're in Ireland.
How does the fact that I'm in Ireland leave me less qualified to talk about teen pregnancy? We also have sex education, and we also have teen pregnancy. The same principles apply.
In what way do American sex ed programs "encourage" teenagers to have sex?
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What kind of sex education do they have? It's like when they said the literacy rate in Nicaragua is 99%, shaming the US, which has an (exaggerated) illiteracy rate of more than 35%. It turns out that in the Nicaragua study, people who could write their names were called "literate", while in the American studies, people who could read and write but couldn't perform certain complex literacy tasks were called "illiterate".
So Japan and the Netherlands have low rates of teen pregnancy and they have "comprehensive sex education" beginning at age 9 or 10. What kind of sex education do the Japanese children get? What are they taught? You don't know. Does the sex education cause the rate of teen pregnancy to be low? You don't know. Probably nobody can know, so you're jumping to a conclusion. Why in other countries, such as the United States, is comprehensive sex education accompanied by a rise in teenage pregnancies? There are answers, but you don't know them.
I'll go set up a thread on another forum I use, which is has a lot of regulars from continental Europe, and I'll get back to you with exactly the kind of sex ed kids in Holland get.
[quote]Yes, that's what people said in the '60s. By the same token, ignoring the fact that early sex and pregnancy can have devastating consequences to the rest of a teenager's life, and encouraging them to have sex is also irresponsible, but that's what many sex education programs do. They also exaggerate the effectiveness of condoms in preventing disease, do not give realistic failure rate statistics for various forms of birth control, and they don't discuss the medical and psychological effects that abortion can have. You've got women in their 20s walking around thinking that birth control pills guarantee that a woman won't get pregnant, because their comprehensive sex education didn't tell them the true failure rate. You've got people walking around with genital warts or other incurable diseases because their sex educators told them that condoms prevent sexually transmitted diseases. Who is being most irresponsible here?[quote] Of course the people responsible for those programs are at fault! They're manipulating the facts to suit a pro-birth control agenda, just as the "abstinence only" organisers manipulate the facts to suit an anti-birth control agenda. I don't defend either of them.
What I defend is sex education that gives teenagers the facts. Tells them what different types of birth control protect them from and what they are exposed to even when they wear a condom - genital warts, crabs etc.
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Besides, abstinence programs don't "just tell them not to do it", as your caricature depicts them. They're much more involved than that. You're acting as if the people who put them on are some kind of troglodytes. What do you imagine the do? Stand there and repeat over and over for hours and days that kids shouldn't have sex and don't instruct them in anything else?
Of course not. It's just as pernicious as the misleading sex ed they you talked about. My source is a friend in Las Vegas, not speculation from the title "abstinence only". She was told about different sexually transmitted diseases and about the negative effects of abortion, but she was also told that no form of contraception is effective - not, "no form is TOTALLY effective," which is true, but simply that none of them were reliable.
By contrast, I learned about the Pill. I learned that it can have side-effects like heart and circulation problems. I learned about diaphragms. I learned that, like the Pill, they will stop you from getting pregnant but won't protect you from STDs. I learned that condoms prevent pregnancy when they are used correctly. I also learned that they can break. I also learned that the 'morning-after' pill is available as a last-resort contraceptive.
I learned about a whole load of STDs and how diseases like chlamydia can leave you infertile. The point that was hammered home was, "You don't know the other person's sexual history, and all of their partners' sexual histories. The only way to be SURE you won't catch anything is to wait until you are married or in a secure relationship, with someone who has also waited."
Maybe I'm brainwashed, but I think that's responsible! I am definitely not in favour of the propaganda you're talking about, or the propaganda my Nevada friend was fed.
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Partly, yes. But why has it ceased to be a cultural taboo? Because of the type of sex education people get, both in school and through the media, both formal and implicit.
Yes, that's a problem of misguided socialism. It happened in the US too. But changes in sex education have plenty to do with it, because they no longer teach self-restraint, as they did 60 or 70 years ago. They don't teach the logic behind abstaining, so kids think there is no logic. When kids got a general message of virtue and self-restraint from school and from the general culture, most of them restrained themselves. There was welfare in the US for decades before the birthrate skyrocketed, so socialism can't be the entire cause.
I think you overestimate the importance of sex education in increasing underage pregnancies. Here at least, it's certainly less of a factor, but we still have teen pregnancies. The media does encourage a more casual attitude to sex than exists in the real world.
At the end of the day, however, I think it's all down to the person. The same people will have sex, with or without sex education. I'm not anti-sex at all: if a couple are over the age of consent, it's nobody's business but theirs if they're sleeping together. The role of sex education is to give them the straight facts on how to do it safely.
The biggest problem with sex ed in this country (IMO) is the total lack of instruction for homosexuals. That's something that needs to be seriously looked at.
It's been poorly implemented in your country. That doesn't mean the principle itself is unsound.
Tuesday, March 18, 2008
If you were raped and got pregnant, how would you feel?
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